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  Can You Defend Yourself before a J. Committee?

  by D wiltshire in

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  to those who have been before a judicial committee for apostacy.. the elders will ask you questions not for the purpose of finding out the truth, but to make sure they can df you.. at my appeal hearing serveral months ago i was questioned by the appeal committees to their satifaction, they even thanked me for my honesty, as it helped them get what they were looking for to make the original dfing stand.. after they were finished with their questions i ask if i could now defend myself and prove that i was telling the truth and not a biblical apostate.. the chairman informed me that i would not be allowed to defend myself.. i looked at all 8 brothers(2 committees 5 & 3) in total amazement at his refusal to allow me to defend myself.

  to them(8) it seem perfectly alright not to allow me to defend myself.. wow.. the chairman said they really were not a judicial court and did not need to be that concerned about doing things in harmony with what is concidered to be fair and right by worldly courts or the bible.

  in fact the chairman spent about 10 minutes trying to explain why they didn't have have to be fair in the legalistic way of courts.. .

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  JT,

  Both 1 and 2.
  I was messing with them, and was trying to say something.
  I knew that things would turn out exactly as they turned out.
  I thought it would be good to go thru the experience, that way I could be an eyewitness of stupidity and may use it in the future.

  I also think there must be some among the 8 elders that don't feel as confident about their being the one true religion any more.

  There are many more reasons for doing what I did which I don't feel compelled to explain now.
  I realize that you feel strongly about letting elders get you to go before their committees and can understand where you are comming from.
  We are all different and have what we ourselves concider good reason for what we do even though others may not.
  Who is to say which is right.

  If someone lived a trillion X longer than you, and had a billion X more reasoning ability would he come to the same conclusions as you?
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  Can You Defend Yourself before a J. Committee?

  by D wiltshire in

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  to those who have been before a judicial committee for apostacy.. the elders will ask you questions not for the purpose of finding out the truth, but to make sure they can df you.. at my appeal hearing serveral months ago i was questioned by the appeal committees to their satifaction, they even thanked me for my honesty, as it helped them get what they were looking for to make the original dfing stand.. after they were finished with their questions i ask if i could now defend myself and prove that i was telling the truth and not a biblical apostate.. the chairman informed me that i would not be allowed to defend myself.. i looked at all 8 brothers(2 committees 5 & 3) in total amazement at his refusal to allow me to defend myself.

  to them(8) it seem perfectly alright not to allow me to defend myself.. wow.. the chairman said they really were not a judicial court and did not need to be that concerned about doing things in harmony with what is concidered to be fair and right by worldly courts or the bible.

  in fact the chairman spent about 10 minutes trying to explain why they didn't have have to be fair in the legalistic way of courts.. .

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  D wiltshire

  To those who have been before a Judicial Committee for Apostacy.
  The elders will ask you questions not for the purpose of finding out the truth, but to make sure they can DF you.

  At my appeal hearing serveral months ago I was questioned by the appeal committees to their satifaction, they even thanked me for my honesty, as it helped them get what they were looking for to make the original DFing stand.

  After they were finished with their questions I ask if I could now defend myself and prove that I was telling the Truth and not a Biblical Apostate.
  The chairman informed me that I would not be allowed to defend myself.
  I looked at all 8 brothers(2 committees 5 & 3) in total amazement at his refusal to allow me to defend myself.
  To them(8) it seem perfectly alright not to allow me to defend myself.
  Wow.
  The chairman said they really were not a Judicial court and did not need to be that concerned about doing things in harmony with what is concidered to be fair and right by worldly courts or the Bible. In fact the chairman spent about 10 minutes trying to explain why they didn't have have to be fair in the legalistic way of courts.

  If someone lived a trillion X longer than you, and had a billion X more reasoning ability would he come to the same conclusions as you?
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  Beware Of Mailman!

  by Yadirf in

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  my puppy, friday, has never gotten himself into this type of a situation!

  there are times when man's best friend needs attention!.

  the dog whose wish was finally granted.

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  Yadirf,
  I can see where you are comming from.
  I try to treat all animals with kindness as much as I can, and it seems the older I get the more kindness I feel towards animals.
  But let a dog try and bite me, and it might be the last thing he tries.
  Don't get me wrong I will try to avoid harming the animal but if it comes down it, I have attacked dogs when my secutity or the security of others was invovled. I felt I had no choice and that it was nessarry.
  Funny thing but when a dog senses that you will kill it if provoked they usually retreat, that is if it hasn't been trained.

  If someone lived a trillion X longer than you, and had a billion X more reasoning ability would he come to the same conclusions as you?
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  Evolution and the Good conquering the Bad.

  by D wiltshire in

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  one of the more popular teachings of evolution is the good in the long run conquers the bad.. what i mean is this:.

  there are both good and bad mutations and as life evolved to more and more complex forms the the process of selecting the good mutations and supresion of bad, by what ever means had to take place to make for instance:.

  the eye from just a light sensitive spot.. the human brain.. legs from fins and back fins again.. an apposable thumb.. the heart.. moral coscience.. walking upright.. i often wounder how evolution could make these things:.

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  D wiltshire

  One of the more popular teachings of evolution is the good in the long run conquers the bad.

  What I mean is this:

  There are both good and bad mutations and as life evolved to more and more complex forms the the process of selecting the good mutations and supresion of bad, by what ever means had to take place to make for instance:
  The eye from just a light sensitive spot.
  The human brain.
  Legs from fins and back fins again.
  An apposable thumb.
  The heart.
  Moral coscience.
  Walking upright.

  I often wounder how evolution could make these things:
  A sense of humor.
  Music appreciation.
  A sense of wounder.
  Altruism.
  Life dupication of itself.
  The DNA molecule for reprodution.

  If someone lived a trillion X longer than you, and had a billion X more reasoning ability would he come to the same conclusions as you?
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  Deaf Mute Disfellowshippings

  by Celtic in

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  anyone know of anyone who has been disfellowshipped who has deaf and mute impairment?

  how did they cope and what support network platform is there for them on leaving?.

  peace.

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  D wiltshire

  In the one of the Waterbury,Connecticut congregations their was a deaf mute couple DF'd for apostacy about 20 yrs ago.
  As to what happened to them after that I have no idea.
  Also a little while after that they got alot more restrictive as to qualifications of being an interpiter.

  If someone lived a trillion X longer than you, and had a billion X more reasoning ability would he come to the same conclusions as you?
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  Ruminations ---Part 2

  by LoneWolf in

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  when i first came on a board like this about a year ago (h2o) im afraid that i came with some misconceptions, just like everyone else.

  i pictured it as an amalgamation of misfits, malcontents, rebels, etc.

  i suppose that is somewhat accurate, although not anywhere near the extent that i had imagined.

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  D wiltshire

  Tom,

  Tell me more!

  If someone lived a trillion X longer than you, and had a billion X more reasoning ability would he come to the same conclusions as you?
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  So How Active An Opponent Are You Really?

  by Englishman in

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  if you are an ex-jw, how do you rate yourself as a jw opponent?.

  are you totally live and let live?

  maybe happy to chat to someone who has doubts?

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  D wiltshire

  Yadirf,

  You sight for sore eyes you.
  You are absolutly right!
  I think I do have no fear of the WT Org. Not even what they have already done to my reputation, or can yet do.
  I'm not even afraid of what they could do to all my family.
  I guess I should have said "I have no fear of the WT org.".
  Yadirf you really are OK, I have to admit that was really thoughtful.

  Do you have no fear of the WT Org.?

  If someone lived a trillion X longer than you, and had a billion X more reasoning ability would he come to the same conclusions as you?
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  So How Active An Opponent Are You Really?

  by Englishman in

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  if you are an ex-jw, how do you rate yourself as a jw opponent?.

  are you totally live and let live?

  maybe happy to chat to someone who has doubts?

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  D wiltshire

  Eman,
  I'm a DEATH to the WT OrGaNiZaTiOn TyPe of gUy.
  If I feel I can do damage to this Cult I will 98% likely do it.
  I have morals, but not unbreakable when it comes to Exsposing a Horrible LIAR.
  I'm a beleiver in Relative application of moral laws when it comes to dealing with a "Evil One".

  So if THE WatchTower is reading this all I can say is: "You took 29 years of my time for you own twisted SHIT. So expect some shit back from me in return.
  I'm sure the 2 different Committees who DF'd me could tell you I'm not afraid of you in the least. So when you have a man with very little fear of you and you get him angry and he's a little inteligent you got trouble, trouble that is hard to keep an eye on, and just when you are least likely to expect it wammo.

  If someone lived a trillion X longer than you, and had a billion X more reasoning ability would he come to the same conclusions as you?
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  WT tooting their own horn

  by TweetieBird in

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  just got off the phone with my mom who asked me if i had read the latest awake on the sept. 11th tragedy.

  quote, "what a wonderful article, showing what the brothers did for those that came across the bridge, blah, blah, blah.

  my first thought was, anyone in ny with an ounce of compassion for humanity was right there along with anyone from the wts doing what they could for the victims.. my second thought went to how jesus condemned the scribes and pharisees for making a showy display of their good deeds, but inside they were vile.

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  Tweet,

  I have pretty much stopped reading the WT and Awake even though I get them in the mail(puke).
  For years I have been sickened by their rank self promotion.
  Have you noticed too, that all those who get their life story printed in the magazines have to always tell how sticking close to the organization has been important to them and always worked out for their good. What a huge load of crap!
  Or the letters from readers that are filled with the highest praise for articles written in the magazine. While it true they sometimes print part of have a letter that expresses disagreement to make them look unbaised, they will only do so if they can give a reply that will make them look good, thus giving them the last word in their favor.

  Such is the power of the pen.
  I only hope someday the WT falls falls flat on its ASS with an EQUAL portion of humiliation to make up for its years bragging to the world that it and only it is God's choosen channel.

  Like I read somewhere:
  "Who ever exaults himself will be humbled and who ever humbles himself will be exaulted"

  If someone lived a trillion X longer than you, and had a billion X more reasoning ability would he come to the same conclusions as you?
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  The Natural Life Cycle of a Religion

  by LoneWolf in

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  here is one of the pieces i sent along with my letter to garrett.

  to understand what is referred to by "relative truths" etc., that is explained in its companion piece, "what is truth".

  i'll post it too, although i hope those who have seen it before will forgive me for posting it again.. lonewolf.

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  bttt

  If someone lived a trillion X longer than you, and had a billion X more reasoning ability would he come to the same conclusions as you?